To: sidney greenbush
Cc: Rachel Lindsay Greenbush
Sent: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:34 am
Subject: Re: Facts
My name is William. I've seen every episode of the show. I started watching when I was a little boy. I wasn't picking on you. I was merely stating an opinion based on hard evidence.
I'm not the only one who thinks this way. What made me write the letter was a Q and A I read on a web site. Here is the link. Read for yourselves.
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Little-House-Prairie-1131/2008/1/Carrie-2.htm
I guess the e-mail I wrote did sound a little mean. That wasn't my intention.
William.
From: Daisy
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Facts
That was just sad..Sad...SAD!! You sure have some big jerks out
there. Don't let people like that upset you guys. I LOVE your scenes
in LH and The Godsister is a wonderful episode!!
Take Care!
Daisy.
From: Annika
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Facts
That's ok Sidney, I know you're a busy lady. :)
yeah, i guess cowards like that rarely want to admit who they are...
From: Nancy
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Facts
lindsay and sidney are great actresses very talented
From: Paul Valenti
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Facts
The Q & A website that this William bozo is referring to wasnt even 1/10th as mean as his email to the twins was.......the questioner was wondering why the Carrie character didnt get more of the spotlight in the show and the answer that the website gave her was actually in support of the Carrie character and not mean at all.....certainly not even close to being an inspiration for the email that William wrote, that was all on his own and probably a cry for attention and a response.....which we are unfortunately perhaps giving him now.
Here is the website verbage that he refers to which supposedly provoked his rant:
"We can only speculate as to why the twins never were given more "spotlight" than the one episode and that was not a popular one either. I thought they were adorable and many fans were upset when in the later seasons, new characters were introduced like James, Cassandra, and Albert and Carrie was pushed more to the back of the show. Fans felt that since Carrie was one of the true siblings of Laura Ingalls that she should have been given more attention. Thanks for your question!"
Reading that answer, I can't help but wonder what the impetus was for William to write such a mean hearted letter to the twins....maybe he's a frustrated actor who wishes that he had the acclaim that the twins still have for their role even now, 25 years later!!!! In any case, this young man has issues that he needs to address. There are things that go on behind the scenes of a tv show that only certain people are privy to. As a personal friend of the twins I can attest to knowing that what you saw on the tv screen then and even now does not even come close to adequately portraying the actions that took place behind the cameras.
Paul
From: Annika
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Facts
It's my favourite too :) Not only is it the most Carrie-focused episode, but it's also the only time we see Lindsay & Sidney on screen together, which makes it extra special :)
I never get tired of watching this episode :) So many wonderful scenes!
/Annika
From: Harris
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Facts
Daisy,
The Godsister is MY FAVORITE episode featuring Carrie, I only wished we could have seen more of Carrie in other episodes.
From: Harris
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Facts
Annika,
I couldn't have put it better myself!
From: Sidney Greenbush
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Facts
Thanks to everyone for the kind words. Lindsay and I just wanted to share incase you come across this person in your web adventures
From: Karla Enix
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Facts
What a jerk. First of all, he can't even sign his name. Totally makes him a coward.
He probably goes around doing this to all the famous people if he can find their email addresses. Probably jealous he never was able to get a paid acting job. Seriously, anytime people attack someone else in this manner typically means they are very jealous of you.
In my opinion, you two made the show. You were adorable!!! If Michael Landon hadn't thought so, he could have replaced you and he didn't.
Don't give people like this your time. They aren't worth it.
Karla
HUGE fan in Ohio
From: cecilia bengio
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Facts
Girls, you were just GREAT!!!! Don't give people like this your attention 'cause they are not worth it.
Love from Argentina
Ceci
From: Shari E Weller
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [!! Re: Fwd: Facts
WOW, whoever said this is thinking more of herself: I loved the greenbush twins as well as the rest of the actors actresses some people sure have the nerve to cut down people especially celebrities. Michael landon did a great job as producer, and actor. he worked very hard with everyone he was on that show with. this is for the person who said this stupid opinion. and to whoever said this crap about little house and the people on that show. say something nice, or don't say anything at all. stop, think, than have your say. sorry that whoever said this had to come up with this, feel free to email me your feelings if you'd like. i'm not mad. take care. Shari
From: Shari E Weller
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: Facts
Annika, I still enjoy this group for the Greenbush twins. I"m use to reading some of the remarks and rants from others: I'm in a bunch of other groups outside of this one, and it's the same thing: someone always has to say something nasty and spoill it for everyone else who enjoys it. I have always loved the Greenbusyh twins. still do. and always wondered what they have been up to these days. Linsey and Sidney. you girls are still the greatest. I still enjoy watching you both on Little house. and you know what I would do Annika? it's just a suggestion, but if you see anyone writing nasty comments. than I would throuw them out of the group. but it's just a suggestion. I can't tell people what do to, but if you ever need to express your opinions about my say, go ahead. i'm always here. take care. shari
From: Allen Eugene Booth
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:10 PM
Subject: The Twins
I never really thought the Greenbush twins were the worst
performers on "Little House on the Prairie". I'm not sure what
prompted
Michael Landon to bring in other
kids, rather than relying on Carrie more for storylines. I have read
that he was not all that close to their parents, and I think the girls
suffered for it. (From what I've read about Michael Landon, that's not
hard for me to believe. Lindsay, Sidney --- please pardon me for being
less than complimentary to Michael's memory.)
From: Daryl Hrdlicka
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Facts
Lindsay and Sidney, very sorry for the both of you
that you have to put up with idiots like that.
-Daryl
From: Jessica Arndt
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:00 PM
Subject: RE: Fwd: Facts
That is really SAD and pathetic that someone could say that about anyone, what a huge jerk. How could anyone be that ccuel? And what is he/she trying to accomplish? Sounds like this person really has some problem with serious jelousy, because he wasn't on one of the greatest TV shows. Carrie is trully one of my favorite charactors and I agree with Jen I hate the fact that you girls did not get as much air time as any of the other actors, you girls are wonderful and so sweet to interact with us fans on this group and thank you for doing that. And can't wait to meet you in July!!!
your fan
Jess
From: Annika
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:47 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Facts
Shari, of course I would not allow people to post nasty messages
about Lindsay and Sidney (or any members) here - that's the reason
this group is moderated. I do ban people from the group.
/Annika
From: Lindsay Greenbush
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: The Twins
It is okay nobody is perfect not even Michael......But he sure seemed like Superman to all of us kids. LOL
From: Paula Esposito
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: Facts
That's good to know that people who say nasty things about the Greenbush twins can be banned from the group. I personally think the Greenbush twins are wonderful girls and they did a wonderful job as Carrie. My favorite episode is The Godsister, where they were the central characters.
From: Capri
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Facts
WTFH - that jealous twit is about to get an earful from me, I hope they're banned!
Capri
From: Capri
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Facts
That William person is a bully, a coward, and a miserable liar.
Capri
From: Capri
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Facts
And I'll add to Annika's message that personally I think it was a serious error on the part of those running the show not to have given you as Carrie a larger role, and while I didn't notice this as a little kid growing up, I notice it a lot more now, that Carrie was not treated like someone her age. She should've been treated as mature as Mary and Laura were while growing up. I don't understand why she was not.
That flaming idiot knows nothing of "facts" all he/she/it had to offer was the rantings and raving opinions of a jealous attention-seeking nutcase. I'd like a few minutes in a room with that person, he/she would be very sorry in short order. They should be officially drummed out of the LH fanbase, and I'd love to be the one to show them the door.
Capri
From: Nick
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Facts
Hi Rachel,
I was shocked by the mean-spiritedness of the email but I decided not
to contact the 'author'. He/she/it is not worth the time and effort.
I am not able to post my feelings here because that would require
language that would never make it past Annika.
However, I am confident if they got in the ring with you, you would
clean their clock!
Be blessed!
Nick
From: Capri
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Facts
I haven't actually sent out what I wrote to this William in reaction, and I seriously doubt I will. Because creeps like that tend to love having email wars, and all I want is to tell him off without having him know my email address and write back etc. But I'll post up a link to what I said once I get the audio up and running.
Capri
From: Lindsay Greenbush
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:04 PM
Subject: (unknown)
I just wanted to thank Everyone for being so supportive!
It means a lot to us
Rachel Lindsay
From: Lindsay Greenbush
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Facts
Capri
While I was reading your post it suddenly hit me how Ironic it was that he wrote that letter because it goes against every moral teaching that little house has tried so hard to convey..........
Maybe he just didn't listen hard enough......LOL
Rachel Lindsay
From: Lindsay Greenbush
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Facts
LOL Thank you Nick.
I usually wont reply either because it is a waste of energy and I would rather focus on creating something positive. I answered his first email just stating that he had no right to judge people. I have not replied to any other email from him.
He said the intention of the letter wasn't to be mean.....Then why even say it?
What other intention could there have been it was pretty direct.
Thanks for your support,
Rachel Lindsay
From: Annika
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Facts
LOL that's just SO true!! LOL
No one who's a real fan of the show and cares of the values it
portrays would write such a letter!! If that person was a character
on the show he would for sure be one of the bullies, who in the end
gets to learn a lesson (like Bart in "The Werewolf of Walnut Grove").
Someone really needs to watch the show again, and learn how to treat
other people!
/Annika
From: Capri
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Facts
Rachel and Sidney
Lol I know, seriously, that twit must've not learned a thing from the show. If he was a true fan, he wouldn't have harbored such ill will toward you, and wouldn't have even been tempted to stoop so low.
Capri
From: Capri
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Facts
Annika
Exactly!
Capri
From: Shari E Weller
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: Facts
hi anika, thanks: sorry if I offended you:
From: Jenny
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Facts
In a message dated 1/23/2008 12:08:26 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, rlgreenbush@yahoo.com writes:
While I was reading your post it suddenly hit me how Ironic it was that he wrote that letter because it goes against every moral teaching that little house has tried so hard to convey..........
Maybe he just didn't listen hard enough......LOL
Rachel Lindsay
******So... What would Michael Landon have said to this creep? :-)
Jenn
From: Annika
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: Facts
Don't worry, I'm not offended. ;)
/Annika
From: Capri
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Facts
Heh, got the audio up. One of my fictional characters is also a LH fan, and she does not take kindly to what that William or Walter whats-his-face said.
http://odeo.com/channel/702393/view
I ran his drither through Rinkworks Dialectizer on the Moron setting and recorded my computer's screenreader, reading it out. I made the voice as dorky as I could manage. Nothing like the character who really gives it to him straight up.
If you want to see the script - Moronese or Moronian sounds and looks a lot different from plain old English, Think Elmer Fudd to the tenth power - it should be in the attachment.
Capri
From: Shari E Weller
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Lindsay and Sidney
you're so welcome: hugs
From: Shari E Weller
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: Re: The Twins
hi Linsay, I agree: Michael was almost like a father to all of you girls on LH. he was great: All of you on that show were just perfect.
From: Jessica Arndt
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 8:22 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Fwd: Facts
Jenn
Good point, how could this person judge any actor or actresses from the show it seems he didn't learn a thing as to what Little House taught?
Jess
From: Nick
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Facts
He was so poor he couldn't even pay attention.
Five months later, he was back, and up to the same old harassing, stalking behavior.
From: Walter Gogolya wgogolya@optonline.net
To: R L Greenbush
Cc: S R greenbush
Sent: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 11:30 pm
Subject: The Godsister
This past weekend on The Hallmark Channel, they replayed the infamous episode, The Godsister, or as most Little House fans call it, the worst episode in the history of the show.
Seriously, have either of you sat and watched this episode? Not only was the acting horrible but you guys were flubbing your lines left and right. I'm sure after a while, Michael Landon just said, "Aww, forget it," and left the mistakes in. Like when Carrie was huggin Jack in heaven and she said, no lie, "I miss you and Ma misses you and Pa misses you and Mary and Ma." One of you actually said Ma twice. And whichever one of you kept shouting, "Alyssa! Alyssa!" My God, that was nails on a chalk board.
If anyone ever wonders why you guys were never written in to any storylines and never had any episodes of your own, simply watch the Godsister.
The popular rumor among the Little House Community is, you guys were hired because you were cute babies. Then as you got older, Michael Landon had every intention of expanding your storylines, just as he did with everyone else on the show. However, it quickly became apparent that you guys couldn't act so he simply left you in the show but gave you absolutely nothing to do other than struggle through the one or two lines you got per episode. Then, your parents started to get mad and demanded you be given a storyline. Finally Michael caved and gave you your shot in The Godsister. After watching that episode your parents never bothered Michael Landon about putting you in more shows.
Episodes that revolved around supporting players like Rev. Alden, Doc Baker, The Garveys, The Edwards: at least 50.
Episodes that revolved around Nancy, who starred in only 2 seasons: at least 4.
Episodes that revolved around Hester Sue Terhune: 2
Episodes that revolved around Carrie, who starred in 8 seasons, and the pilot: 1.
Not good stats!
God Bless.
From: Walter Gogolya wgogolya@optonline.net
To: R L Greenbush
Cc: S R Greenbush
Sent: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 9:02 am
Subject: Episode Reviews
http://www.tv.com/little-house-on-the-prairie/the-godsister/episode/64093/reviews.html
From: Sidney Greenbush
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:26 AM
Subject: Fwd: Episode Reviews
If you guys disagree with these reviews than you need to voice your opinions
It doesnt matter to me what people thin because there will always be people
who like and dislike things. But I know it is a favorite episode of alot
of fans and I hate to let a few speak for you all
Annika please include the link below
Sidney
http://www.tv.com/little-house-on-the-prairie/the-godsister/episode/64093/reviews.html
From: Annika
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: The Godsister
Sidney, I've checked and he is not a member of the group, but I've
put him on the "banned" list anyway so he can't join in the future
either.
/Annika
From: Annika
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Episode Reviews
Obviously I very much disagree with him..I adore this episode, and I
adore you both!
The Godsister is my favourite episode, and always has been. It's a
sweet magical episode, and I loved it both as a child and as an
adult!
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and we can't all like the same
episodes or the same characters, but this guy is way out of
control...why on earth would he e-mail you such a letter? he's a
total jerk, and I hope you don't let him get you down... you're both
amazing actresses & wonderful persons!
/Annika
From: Capri
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: The Godsister
Rakkin' frakkin ' That Walter is the same loser who posted all those stupid flames a few months ago. That dude needs to seriously get a life, get some help, something, he's got issues!
He needs to be yanked off the net altogether, and I would if I could.
Capri
From: Capri
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Episode Reviews
I tore this guy a new one privately - that is, I didn't send what I wrote to him, but I'm coming very close to blasting him very publically.
People may have a right to like or not like a certain episode, but what he's been doing goes way over the line into harassment. Obviously he's a jealous twat who can't act and wishes he could, he's got a huge ego complex and is a terrible attention seeker. He has no life, so he resorts to this childish nonsense in a pathetic attempt to make himself feel bigger. There's a name for people who put other innocent people down just to build themselves up - and that would be "bully!"
He's going to get an earful.
Capri
From: palmermarilyn
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: The Godsister
-I agree, pls block this person. He was disqusting. It made my
stomach turn. Yuck!!!! And it is so NOT true, what he said.
Sidney and Rachel, you are the best, and we all love you.
From: Nick
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: The Godsister
Hi Robyn,
It looks like he sent it directly to you and Rachel. I don't think
Annika would let this post through and I don't agree with his
assessment.
Wait a minute... We dealt with this guy back in January. It was
basically the same post.
Nick
From: Paul Valenti
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Episode Reviews
I've said this before and I will say it again....as an actor you are constrained by the wishes and desires and direction of those individuals who are behind the camera. Lindsay and Sidney were youngsters/children raised on a television canvas who simply performed according to the plots that they were placed into and the direction that they were given.
The Godsister episode was a departure from the usual theme of Little House on the Prairie and came across as different and perhaps disconcerting to some fans who had grown accustomed to seeing them as little girls running across a grassy knoll. Perhaps that particular story did not blend as well as a typical LHOP story line would have into the overall 1800's setting, being more fanciful and a portrayal of one man's idea of what a little girl might imagine when left to her own pursuits and daydreams but to deride the Greenbush twins for their acting in this particular setting is preposterous, they simply performed according to the plan that they were a part of at that given time.
Paul D. Valenti, D.C.
From: Nick Brown
To: wgogolya@optonline.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:38 PM
Subject: How was this helpful?
What good does it do to seek out and disparage the actresses who played a role over 30 years ago?
Point 1: "I'm sure after a while, Michael Landon just said, "Aww, forget it,"" I know you are incapable of reading Michael Landon's mind so such a statement has no validity.
Point 2: "The popular rumor among the Little House Community..." I have heard rumors about many different shows. I am sure that if there were such a rumor it would have gotten out. So far you are the only source.
Point 3: "The Godsister, or as most Little House fans call it, the worst episode in the history of the show." I know a lot of Little House fans. Never heard that at all.
Point 4: It is possible to criticize without being insulting.
Point 5: Did you forget you sent this out in January of this year? If not, why send it again?
God bless you too.
From: palmermarilyn
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Episode Reviews
--I voiced my opinion and gave it of course a perfect score. Everyone
pls go to that site and change that rating. We all need to pull
together here.
Marilyn
From: Annika
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: The Godsister
Yes, the message did NOT come through this group, but was sent
directly by e-mail to Lindsay & Sidney. (I assume he got the address
through the official website?).I would NEVER approve such a post - I
hope you all know that.
Also, the only persons who can post directly (without me approve the
message first) are Lindsay and Sidney themselves. All other messages
I must approve before they appear in the group.
/Annika
From: Annika
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Episode Reviews
Marilyn
So did I :)
From: Capri
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: The Godsister
Annika
Thank goodness.
Capri
From: Nick
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: The Godsister
Hi Annika,
I knew you would not let such a post through. I meant to reply only
to Robyn but forget to select her address in the 'To:' box.
Blessings!
Nick
From: Capri
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Episode Reviews
Yeah, and those dreams are exactly the kind of thing a child that age would imagine, especially a little girl. It's no different from Albert's Halloween dream in a later season, he dreamed what a boy his age during that time would dream.
There were quite a few major departures from the characteristic LH shows, "Sylvia" and "Rage" being among the very biggest in the darker sense, and "Black Jake" being one on the lighter sense - personally I dislike "Black Jake" and the earliest Halloween ep in season three, because I feel the characters were acting waaaaaayyyy out of character.
But even so, I sure don't hate the actors for playing their parts - that Walter dude is just pathetic to hold a grudge against actors he's never even met in person, over a part they played in a show over 20 years ago!
Capri
From: Capri
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Episode Reviews
I can't give a review on the site and it's not for lack of trying. I did damn the ugly reviews, the couple I made myself look at.
The score number part of the review submittal doesn't come up for me.
Capri
From: Annika
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: The Godsister
No worries, Nick!
and it wasn't only directed to you ;)
/Annika
From: Allen Eugene Booth
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: The Godsister
My own experience in acting is somewhat limited, but I picked up a few
observations along the way, chief among them being that actors can
only say and do what the writers and directors give them to say and
do. The main exception to this is improv players. I imagine that
during the run of "Little House", Lindsey and Sidney pretty much had
to "stick to the script".
From: Allen Eugene Booth
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: The Godsister
In my earlier post, I wasn't intending to attack the writers and
directors of "The Godsister", I was trying to defend the girls.
---Allen
From: Sidney Robyn Greenbush
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: The Godsister
Thanks Annika
From: Sidney Robyn Greenbush@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Episode Reviews
Thanks Annika
His words dont bother me as much as the
need to harm someone. Stalker material lol
Everyone on the board is great and Lindsay and I very
much adore all of you I hate to see someone trash something
so many of you enjoy
Sidney
From: Annika
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Episode Reviews
Yeah, stalker material for sure! I'd be willing to bet he's been
doing the same to other celebrities as well.... nice hobby, huh?
Personally I'd rather discuss shows and stars I like, than spend my
time sending rude messages to people...
/Annika
From: Harris
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Episode Reviews
Sidney,
This is my favorite too because it's the 1st time I remember you two working together!
From: Karla Enix
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: The Godsister
How can someone be so mean? And what is his point? This many years later and you and the show are as popular as ever.
He obviously has issues. No one can fix them.
I say we don't give him the time of day.
Maybe he always wanted to be an actor or on a popular show and couldn't cut it? That would be my guess.
Karla
From: Karla Enix
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Episode Reviews
Just had to point out how this guy said you were only the focus in one episode. What about Carrie falling in the well? Did he think Mary or Laura was the focus in that?
Karla
From: Capri
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: How was this helpful?
I think I might start a LH story about Walter who bullies Carrie in school, and eventually gets what's coming.
Capri
From: Carol Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Episode Reviews
Sidney and Lindsay,
I have been trying to give a review but it's not working. I will keep on trying. I will tell you that whatever you had to do on the show, you were great. This episode was special. Though it wasn'y my favorite, it was up there. Loved seeing you two together was great, and you did an excellent job. As for what this guy said about the one line being mesed up, he obviosly has not watched many shows or movies, as messed uplines or scenes often get left in. Carol
From: Nick Brown
To: Walter Gogolya ; Bree Stanley
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: Nails on a chalkboard
Hi Walter,
The email addresses you used are ones the twins use so, yes, both Lindsay and Sidney read it.
What I don't understand, and you don't have to explain, is why did you send it again. You sent it once in January already.
Be that as it may, I personally accept your apology and it is up to the ladies to decide whether or not to accept your apology.
Go with God's grace.
From: palmermarilyn
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:48 AM
Subject: Re: How was this helpful?
--Capri, you are right, good idea there, he would definately make a
good bully. Shame on him. He needs to get a life. or reassess his
life and learn how to be compassionate, caring and loving. How dare
he do this.
From: Sidney Robyn Greenbush
To: wgogolya@optonline.net ; rlgreenbush@yahoo.com ; GreenbushTwins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: Sorry
How could you think that when you did the same thing only a few months ago
and gave the exact same apoligy.
Sidney
From: Sidney Robyn Greenbush
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: The Godsister
Annika I know you would never approve it and that you watch
carefull what is posted and I am thankfull, to you, for that.
I just wanted to preblock him and didnt realize that my posts
didnt filter through you also. I guess in away it is good that everyone
be reminded there are harmful and hurtful people out there even
in the LHOTP community. We tend to take for granted the type of
people the show attracted because of its moral fiber but it doesnt hurt to
be reminded that it is not all peaches and cream (lol)
Sidney
From: Sidney Robyn Greenbush
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: The Godsister
Allen that is a good point and you also have to remember that it is the
Director that makes the decision on which scene to use. You could film it
10 times and the acto pick take 10 and the director pick take 5 which the actor
didnt feel he gave a great performance in
Sidney
From: Sidney Robyn Greenbush
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Episode Reviews
It is the only time we worked together
Sidney
From: Sidney Robyn Greenbush
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Episode Reviews
lol Karla good point !
From: Annika
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: Sorry
Nobody can be so stupid that they send e-mails to someone thinking
they will NOT read it... lol
Annika
From: Paula Esposito
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Episode Reviews
Don't worry about that Walter person. The guy's a zero. You and Lindsay were both wonderful in the Godsister. I wish they showed that episode more often. That was very cute. No matter what anyone else says, I loved it. You were both great!!
From: Nancy
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: The Godsister
i love that show i have seen it around 50 r more times in my life
i know it word for word they are so cute i have every lhotp on dvd
thank you lindsay and sidney you are wonderful
From: Capri
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Sorry
In this exchange, the doofus tries to play the victim act and make like he wants out of the heat he's getting. But how long will he manage to stay away and shut up?
But if you have the original emails with the full headers, you can report Walter to optonline for sending hate and harassing emails.
Capri
From: Bree Stanley
To: wgogolya@optonline.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 6:39 PM
Subject: Nails on a chalkboard
You're sick and should be ashamed of yourself!
From: wgogolya@optonline.net
To: Bree Stanley
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: Nails on a chalkboard
I am ashamed of myself. I honestly didn't think the twins actually read this stuff. I thought it was just going to some Web master. I emailed an aplology and as I told them, you'll never hear from me in or around the Greenbush Twins fan community again.
From: Bree Stanley
To: wgogolya@optonline.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: Nails on a chalkboard
Good, although whether the twins actually read what you wrote or not is beside the point. You know you shouldn't have done it at all in the first place, and not even some webmaster should have to put up with that sort of trash.
You don't want to know what I originally wrote in anger after seeing you pull this crap, twice within a five month period no less. If you were a character in LH, you'd get a well deserved grounding and probably a good whooping.
not good stats... Whatever possessed you to behave so insanely in the first place is beyond me. They were just little kids with no say in their roles or how they were to be done, and that was Landon's doing, not their decision.
They weren't bad actors, Landon was just unimaginative and lazy when it came to giving them a bigger role, he couldn't be bothered, and he deliberately kept them in a role that held them back below their maturity level. He did the same thing with the twins who played baby Grace. That was obvious especially in the later seasons. They were held back and not allowed to grow up on the show, Landon's travesty. The girls would have been more polished in "The God Sister" if Landon had allowed them even a slightly larger role in the show previously. I would not have been nearly as good as they were when I was a child, and I do have a bit of a creative streak, but can't act my way out of a paper bag and am not too proud to admit that. So, I'll be the last to condemn these girls in a two-part episode when Landon didn't give them anywhere near the attention he should have for their role.
These things were just a few of several glaring decisions he made, in my opinion.
You also realize that you don't represent the LH fan community and "popular beliefs" about the God Sister etc. and telling Sidney and Rachel you did was absolutely petty and poisonous on your part, even if you only thought some unknown webmaster might see those comments.
BTW, Hester-Sue only had two shows devoted to her and Carrie had four, so you were wrong about those stats.
I and at least some of the fans would like an apology from you as well for attempting to speak for the LH fan base on the whole when presenting what were only your opinion and maybe those of a sad few others who agree with you in damning "The God Sister" and the Greenbush twins in general.
If you can, please send the email of apology that you say you sent to the Greenbush girls to me, I'd like to see it, after that venomous vitrial you wrote them, along with pointing them to that crappy review on the TV site. I hope you really do mean it when you say you're ashamed of yourself and that you won't bother them again.
Bree
From: wgogolya@optonline.net
To: Bree Stanley
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:19 PM
Subject: Fw: Sorry
below is the apology I sent.
I also apologize to the LHOP fan community. I hope this ends it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Gogolya
To: Lindsay Greenbush
Cc: srgreenbush@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:37 PM
Subject: Sorry
I apologize for my remarks. I figured you got emails from jerks like me all the time. I felt bad when I realized they hurt more than I thought they would. I honestly thought I was sending them to some webmaster, I didn't think you guys would actually see them..
Once again, sorry. You'll never hear from me again.
From: Bree Stanley
To: wgogolya@optonline.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: Sorry
Thank you.
Bree
From: "Bree Stanley"
To: "wgogolya@optonline.net"
Subject: You Pulled This Before.
Date: June 12, 2008 7:31 AM
You sent the girls this same apology several months ago the first time you crapped on their site and in their email.
Then you stirred up the same infantile crud now, hoping you'd get away with it a second time. Rachel and Sidney aren't so gullible, and neither am I. It was just a matter of waiting to find out what they and other LH fans had to say about your apology to determine if it was real or phony.
Do you really think you can give a fake apology and all will be forgotten so you can crawl out from under your rock and repeat this tasteless obnoxious stunt over and over again?
You know what this makes you besides a jerk and an internet troll? A bald-faced liar and stalker.
The girls would be within their rights to charge you with stalking and harassment, and you need to be reported to your isp.
Bree.
From: wgogolya@optonline.net
To: Bree Stanley
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: You Pulled This Before.
Stalking and harrassment? Whoa, I hardly think two e-mails sent over a period of 5 months constitutes harrassment. Especially not stalking. In no e-mail did I threaten anyone or use foul language, so lets not get carried away here. People say ALOT worse things to celebrities on message boards on a daily basis. I'm sure popular folk get hate mail all the time. Lets not confuse my 2 e-mails with these kinds of things.
My e-mail box has piled up with quite a lot of "hate mail" over the last few days, with people saying things like, "loser", "coward", "scumbag" and things of that nature. Those are much harsher things then I've said in any of my e-mails.
Last time i agologized I really did believe I was apolgizing to a Web master and not the Greenbush twins. After recieving all the "hate mail" from fans I finally do believe it is the twins themselves who i've offended. Because of this, I'm trying to go away from all this. I've apologized to the girls and to the LHOP community and anyone who has sent me emails telling me what a jerk I was.
I hope this puts an end to all this, as I will not be responding to anymore e-mails from people telling me what a loser I am.
From: "Bree Stanley"
To: wgogolya.-.optonline.net.-.Bree@shiftmail.com
Subject: Re: You Pulled This Before.
Date: June 12, 2008 8:38 AM
You mewled:
"Stalking and harrassment?"
Yes...
Whoa, I hardly think two e-mails sent over a period of 5 months constitutes harrassment. Especially not stalking."
It wasn't two, it was more like three or four, and unwelcome, hate-filled emails toward two women who never did anything to you and because you just can't get over hating a couple of kids in a 20 year old show. That's sick, pathetic, and it's harassment. Sending them unwanted emails of this kind again and again over a period of a few months is stalking. You can't get over them, you have serious problems, and you're not cool, cute, funny, or smart trying to bring them down a few notches just because they might be too popular for your liking.
"In no e-mail did I threaten anyone or use foul language,"
That doesn't matter. You tried to debase them, and you did it more than once without their asking for it. That's stalking. It's still hate mail, and because it's unwanted email, which you'll obviously send them again and again in several months time, you are a spammer as well.
"so lets not get carried away here."
Wow, what a hypocrite, try taking your own advice! If you weren't so eaten up by your unhealthy fixating hate on a couple of girls, you wouldn't have gotten "carried away" yourself and bullied the Greenbush twins through email and crappy TV site reviews twice within a five month period. And yes, acting like a jackass, then pulling the victim act especially when called out on your half-baked phony apology is bullying.
"People say ALOT worse things to celebrities on message boards on a daily basis."
We're not talking about other people, we're talking about *you*. Don't try that lame excuse with me. You hated. You got caught twice. You made fake apologies. You lied through your teeth. You blasphemed when you put "God bless" at the end of one of your idiotic ranting hate emails against the girls. You were so arrogant as to speak for the whole fan community and catty enough to blair that assumption to the girls. You upset quite a few fans and there's no excuse for it.
"I'm sure popular folk get hate mail all the time."
And obviously you think that's justifiable or excusable. It isn't. It's bullyish, attention-seeking, childish, cowardly, and just as likely because the haters are jealous wanna-bes with no life. I'd like to see you play all two roles in the "God Sister" and do it better than Sidney or Rachel. You couldn't...
"Lets not confuse my 2 e-mails with these kinds of things."
There's no confusion about it, your several emails ARE those kinds of things..,
"My e-mail box has piled up with quite a lot of "hate mail" over the last few days, with people saying things like, "loser", "coward", "scumbag" and things of that nature. Those are much harsher things then I've said in any of my e-mails."
The difference being, their hate toward you is justified. You started it by picking on Rachel and Sidney because you are so consumed by your hatred for them for a show they did over 20 years ago, you hated on them for no good reason. Any harsh words upset fans are sending to you now, you deserve in spades. You're not innocent and you're not a victim. You created this mess and now you're getting the fallout from it. If you did it for attention, you obviously got it, I hope you like it...
"Last time i agologized I really did believe I was apolgizing to a Web master and not the Greenbush twins."
That doesn't matter, you weren't sorry for long.
"After recieving all the "hate mail" from fans I finally do believe it is the twins themselves who i've offended."
I can't speak for them, but know for a fact you have upset fans, me included. Whatever, it doesn't matter. If you hadn't been such an obnoxious moron and sent any hate mail to their site and their emails in the first place, let alone two harassment attempts by way of hate mail in a five month period, you wouldn't have upset anyone and you wouldn't be getting the heat you now deserve.
"Because of this, I'm trying to go away from all this. I've apologized to the girls and to the LHOP community and anyone who has sent me emails telling me what a jerk I was."
So how long will your absense from the Greenbush site and inboxes and the LH fan community in general last this time? Another five months maybe?
"I hope this puts an end to all this, as I will not be responding to anymore e-mails from people telling me what a loser I am."
If you repeat this stupidity in the future, you'll generate more intense dislike from LH fans. If you really want an end to all this as you say, you'll learn to keep your word and start living more by the show's principles. But I don't think you're strong enough to do that. You're too consumed by your pathological hatred for a couple of women who were child actors in a show 20 years ago. You'll probably prove me right and turn up again with more hate spew against R&S Greenbush within the next several months or the next year or two, and then cry about how rough you're having it with all the angry emails fans are sending you, while trying to excuse your own rotten behavior that caused it in the first place.
Bree
From: joanna.mckenna
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Episode Reviews
(The msg was blank except for requoted emails)
From: Capri
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Episode Reviews
Yes, also Carrie was featured in "Ma's Holiday" "Little Girl Lost" and "Meet Me At the Fair" as well as the God Sister" so Walter Wonker was really off his chump. There were only two episodes featuring Hester-Sue, not four as he bemoaned. Both of those dealt with her nearly marrying the wrong guys.
Capri
From: Carol Phillips
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Episode Reviews
I also thought of the well episode, ( another of my favorites ) but I didn't mention it in my post. I'm glad someone did. I would like to mention two other episodes not based around carrie. One is where carrie ends up carried away alone in a balloon. The other is Christmas at Plum creek. She carried a very special part in that episode.
Sidney and Lindsay, no matter what size the part or lines, you did a great job! Carol
From: Jessica Arndt
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 4:43 PM
Subject: RE: Fwd: The Godsister
This person is acting like he knows everything when he really knows nothing. I mean come on he is talking like he knows exactly what went on in Michael's's head, like when he says Michael said Aww Forget it. Was he in his head, or even on the set? I am sure he wasn't. I just love it how he says that your parents after watching The Godsister they never bothered Michael again, How does he know? He wasn't there to know what was going on. Last of all, it is just absurd that he is bashing on someone he does not even know, and has never met. Gosh, he must have serious psychological problems to stoop that low. It is funny how at the end he signs God Bless after a message that was just meant to insult you ladies. Lindsay and Sidney, you ladies are wonderful and you are so sweet, we all love you here.
Jess
From: Sidney Robyn Greenbush
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Sorry
Capri
Tell us more about the Optonline. I have never heard of it
Sidney
From: Sidney Robyn Greenbush
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Episode Reviews
Good Job Carol
I forgot about those lol What about Ma's Holiday It isnt written about Carrie
but she sure puts Mr Edwards through the paces LOL
An Irate Fan Rips Walter a New One
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